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Burning Platform: Data-Infused Apps

In the 45th episode of the series, we have Pete Schlampp, EVP Product Development at Workday.

Last week, I had the chance to present to some Chief Data Officers. I made the point that 2020 was an inflection point for data and analytics. We saw countless new data streams - related to COVID-19 data, the new census, shortened sports seasons stats, polls from the turbulent US elections, countless supply chain disruptions and many more. We also saw a new generation of players that leverage enterprise data go public and otherwise gain prominence - Snowflake, Palantir and C3.ai among them.

Workday is better known for its transaction capabilities in finance, hcm and procurement but it has gradually become an analytics powerhouse with acquisitions like Adaptive, Platfora, Gridcraft and others. During the pandemic they launched several bite sized apps which leveraged their analytics which I profiled in the Analyst Cam including VIBE for diversity management  and Vaccine Management. 

As Aneel Bhusri, the Co-CEO recently said "the future is about data, insights and predictions" 

So it was nice to spend time with Pete, who has been the key architect of Prism Analytics which is the cornerstone of many of the apps. We also discuss his expanded role which extends beyond analytics, his world view of "data-infused applications", machine learning and the role of Workday partners and their domain knowledge in the creation of many more bite-sized apps.

 

Analyst Cam: Unit4 Executive Briefing

As we have moved to virtual vendor briefings, I have increasingly been excerpting short video segments (with permission from vendors), as part of my Analyst Cam series. 

Mike Ettling, CEO and Dmitri Krakovsky, Chief Product Officer of Unit4 joined me for a corporate and product briefing.

Mike spends time on the recent announcement that they have received a  majority investment from TA Associates, a leading global growth private equity firm and about the exit of the previous majority investor, Advent International.  He discusses what TA liked in the services verticals they are focused on to value them in excess of $2 billion

Last May, I had interviewed Mike about leadership during a crisis.  I asked him to provide an update and starting around 10.45 he invokes the Zulu philosophical concept of Ubuntu which roughly translates to 'I am because of who you are'. That has guided him through life and especially in the crisis that started last year. Later in the conversation, in keeping with the recent spat between two much larger competitors , I asked both of them if they wanted to take shots at any competitors. I joked they were 'boring" but I like their high road - "we focus on customers, not competitors"    

Dmitri provided an update on the ERPx release. In October, he had presented (starting around 28.00 here) about the rollout. They are on schedule with 15 early adopter customers across industries and geographies he describes.  Dmitri also addresses my point that the hyperscalers have gained momentum not just at the infrastructure layer, but also at the platform layer. How does an application vendor like Unit4 navigate this major shift in the industry?

We cover lots of other ground during the session. Dmitri will be back to present more details in a session later this week. 

 

Enterprise La La Land

I wrote last week we would likely hear more detail around application modules and customers and subsidiaries to explain Larry Ellison's claim during his earnings call about Oracle snatching customers from SAP. Bob Evans has interviews with executives from each on Cloud Wars. 

SAP's DJ Paoni's responded "Of the 100 or so customer names cited by Oracle, 80% are planning to make “significant investments” with SAP in 2021"

Steve Miranda of Oracle is more specific. But in some ways they both raise even more questions.

Steve primarily talks about HCM, SCM and EPM applications, three of the most fragmented enterprise application categories. HCM is still heavily outsourced, particularly in the payroll and benefits area. So is SCM to 3PLs and increasingly by merchants to fulfillment by Amazon or Shopify. The whole analytics space was turned upside down last year as I wrote here with many new data streams and many new players like Snowflake, C3 and Palantir, each of which had successful listings. 

I realize Steve did not have hours with Bob but when you are talking "ERP replacements" I would think you would talk major chunks like core financials, manufacturing etc. And if not manufacturing, vertical applications like retail banking, utility billing etc.  

Similarly with customer scope. He mentions Marriott, a company I know pretty well as a consumer, having spent over 4 years (yes!) of my life sleeping in their rooms. Many of their properties are run by franchisees who often have their own systems. They have a number of brands like Springhill Suites and Courtyard which have unique processes. Besides, a global company like Marriott has "one of each". Steve had them on a panel in 2014 (see here), Salesforce profiled them even more fully at their event in 2018.  If anything, it makes Paoni's point that customers continue to buy from SAP AND Oracle AND many others.

So, after reading the earnings call transcript,  my question was which modules and at which customer subsidiaries did Oracle replace SAP? Now I need to narrow that expectation much further - which features and how few users did they manage to move?

The good news is most customers realize Magic Quadrants and vendor marketing are the equivalent of a satellite snapshot when you are shopping for real estate. You use them to narrow the neighborhoods you should be looking at. The hard work comes later - lots of house tours, inspections, paperwork etc.

I was even more puzzled by Steve's point about speed at which the enterprise market is moving as he tries to explain how they stole customers from SAP    

He says "But in the past few years, that has changed dramatically, and I think the big reason behind that change is the speed of innovation the cloud offers." “But now, with the cloud, it happens every 90 days. That’s an enormous difference.”

I think Steve is conflating the pace at which SaaS vendors deliver multiple releases a year -  bite-sized collections of fixes and features - with complete modules. The pace at which application vendors have delivered modular functionality in the cloud is actually disappointingly slow. Salesforce and NetSuite were some of the earliest SaaS vendors in the late 90s. In the 20 years since, if you chart a grid of available SaaS functionality by industry and country, we are not even at 20%. Try finding many insurance claims processing or fintech applications in SaaS mode. Try finding many which support regulations in Indonesia, Russia and Nigeria.

Over the same period look at what Amazon has done to shake up so many sectors. Watch my interview last week with Robin Gaster, author of a new book, Behemoth, Amazon Rising.

The problem is while both SAP and Oracle have brilliant enterprise architects at the top, they just don't have process or industry visionaries like Amazon does to completely reshape sectors. They are much more comfortable talking nuances of databases.

If anything, 2020 completely changed the definition of "speed" in every industry. We have all seen the amazing speed at which COVID vaccines have been developed, approved and distributed. Watch Jack Barrett, CEO of a community bank describe how they processed more PPP loans in a little over a month what usually takes them years  Watch Lou Von Thaer, CEO of Battelle describe how quickly their vaporized hydrogen peroxide-based Critical Care Decontamination System scaled when N95 masks were in critically short supply in March. In 4 months, they had disinfected and extended lives of over 2 million masks.  I had plenty more such sessions last year.  

So many new applications came to life in 2020 as I wrote last week.

"Telemedicine in health care, distance learning in higher education, mobile banking, PPP loan processing. vaccine management, HR diversity analytics, virtual real estate tours, remote field service, digital mortgages, eCommerce, warehouse automation, last mile delivery and so much more in every industry."

I would love to hear both Oracle and SAP talk about those applications. It's been a year since the pandemic started. That to me would be a better showing of speed.

Even better, Oracle and SAP should quit looking at each other. In the last decade, it wasn't just Amazon which grew much faster. Google, Facebook and agencies ran away with the digital marketing spend. Contract manufacturers like Foxconn and design firms dominated the product innovation space. GE, Siemens and others are leading the industrial IOT game.

Time for both to dramatically expand their TAM. Their market share of corporate technology wallets has been dropping for a long time. Sniping at each other only highlights they are living in the past. 

Oracle Earnings Call - a missed opportunity

Larry Ellison is one enterprise software exec I have not spent much time with. Oh, I have seen plenty of Oracle OpenWorld and other keynotes. I mean in a small group setting. He has always let Ray Lane or Charles Phillips or Mark Hurd deal with industry analysts - he spends a bit more time with Wall Street analysts.

And yet over the years, I have learned and admired so much of what he has done for sailing, tennis, hospitality, education, aviation, automobile, sartorial and other worlds. In a way, I am glad we don't spend much time with him - I would bug him with all kinds of questions about these activities.

Alas, we cannot ignore the less exciting world of enterprise software. One of Larry's strengths is that he has cultivated a pithy look and feel to Oracle branding. His taunting of competitors on Oracle earning calls continues that trademark marketing. To me, it's a version of the Avis "we try harder" positioning. It is a way of associating yourself with whoever is a market leader - Microsoft one day, Salesforce or Workday another day, more recently Amazon and SAP. As an added bonus, hopefully, that gets under the skin of those competitors and has them waste time and effort to prove he is wrong.

He spent 1,901 words in his prepared comments and more in the Q&A on SAP in last week's earnings call. More specifically, he named names - what he says are customers who have moved/are moving away from SAP applications to Oracle's. And he took out a microscope to measure the distance between where Gartner places both vendors on various Magic Quadrants. That may have SAP scampering for weeks to respond. And I suspect Gartner analysts and customer attorneys to speculate which specific modules and which global subsidiaries he was referring to.

Missed opportunity - especially since in relative terms, Larry does not spend much time talking about his applications. We are in early 2021, still in the middle of a global pandemic. Very few customers meddled in 2020 with their big, hairy, legacy applications. From what I can tell, there were not many moves to next-gen SAP ERP nor to next-gen Oracle.

Instead, I would have liked Larry to talk about which vertical edge applications Oracle delivered to help his customers morph and survive in a "from-home" and pandemic economy. Telemedicine in health care, distance learning in higher education, mobile banking, PPP loan processing. vaccine management, HR diversity analytics, virtual real estate tours, remote field service, digital mortgages, eCommerce, warehouse automation, last mile delivery and so much more in every industry. Further, I would have liked to hear how Oracle services and his SI ecosystem have moved to virtual delivery. What has Oracle learned from autonomous database deployments that can be applied to application management? 

I would love to have those conversations in a small group setting with Larry. Nice bonus would be to have him talk about technology in this year's America's Cup, sustainability on his island, Japanese culture and so much else:)

The Analyst Cam: IFS Cloud launch

As we have moved to virtual vendor briefings, I have increasingly been excerpting short video segments (with permission from vendors), as part of my Analyst Cam series. 

IFS is hosting its Cloud Launch event today and tomorrow. You can register here to watch the packed agenda. I have excerpted about 20 minutes from today's keynote in the video below.

CEO Darren Roos had given us a sneak preview of the event here.  In his keynote today, he reiterated his messages around digital business models and "moments of service" and the role of cloud platforms in their delivery. At 3.43 Ann-Kristen Sander, Sales Director highlights the complex industrial and services verticals like aerospace and defense the IFS cloud is meant to serve. There are plenty of sessions on each industry in the next couple of days. At 4.11 Amy Eager, Technical Solution Consultant talks about the multiple deployment modes for the IFS cloud and portability across them. At 4.43, Cathie Hall, SVP of Product Experience describes the concept of Lifecycle Experience that comes with the IFS cloud.

At 5.46, Christian Pedersen, Chief Product Officer introduces an early adopter, "Pioneer customer", CIMCORP which provides robotics to automate warehouses and distribution centers. I included this segment in its entirety in the video below. I love all the scenarios presented including field service scheduling and mixed reality support. Very different from most enterprise vendor demos which mostly emphasize white collar processes and slick analytics and often ignore blue-collar, operational areas.

The whole event reflects the vibrant new branding CMO, Oliver Pilgerstorfer had described here .

Very nice start to the event.

The Analyst Cam: SAP Industry Cloud

As we have moved to virtual vendor briefings, I have increasingly been excerpting short video segments (with permission from vendors), as part of my Analyst Cam series. 

SAP hosted for analysts a Industry Cloud briefing last week. I have excerpted below about 15 minutes from an hour long session.

Peter Maier, President Industries and Customer Advisory kicks it off and I liked that he gave several examples of new industry functionality. SAP (and in fairness other large vendors) often talk about industry qualifications in generalities and about past efforts ignoring that every industry turned upside down last year.

I had interviewed him last May and you can definitely see progress. 

At 6.50, Peter and Kai Finck, who heads Industry Cloud Program respond to a question about industries where SAP has seen most momentum in the last year.

At 9.15, Svend Wittern, who heads Industry Strategy and Peter explain that business networks where SAP plays a big role with horizontal functionality from Ariba, Concur and others are increasingly moving to industry versions.

At 12.18 Ralph Stemler, who heads Industry Ecosystems mentions that strategy firms like McKinsey may be partnering with SAP and getting into the IP business with their industry knowledge

At 13.30 Steffen Schad, Product Manger, SAP Business Technology Platform talks about how partners and customers are starting to use the platform (including recent acquisitions of Signavio and AppGyer) to build industry functionality

Overall, I liked the momentum Peter showcased, but I still don't think SAP is thinking small enough. It has missed the boat on so much demand we saw for vertical edge apps like telemedicine, distance learning in higher ed, warehouse automation, last mile delivery in retail and food service, virtual open houses in real estate in the last year. It is still focused on big "intelligent enterprise" type positioning which will take years to flesh out.

Also, in the next briefing, it would be nice to hear much more specifically about how strategy firms (and the traditional SI partners) and low code tools are helping develop specific industry functionality. Similar about how RISE with SAP is being verticalized. 

Look forward to more of these periodic briefings. 

Burning Platform: More on RISE with SAP

In the 29th episode of the Burning Platform series is Geoff Scott, CEO of ASUG (Americas' SAP User Group). He provides perspective on RISE by SAP - the recently announced SAP initiative. See Analyst Cam post about it here. Dennis Howlett of Diginomica had provided his feedback here. 

Geoff and ASUG had worked with SAP in envisioning RISE and he provides that nuanced perspective and that of his membership. We have a friendly debate on the topic - we keep it light hearted weaving in the Super Bowl and the iPhone 12.

I make the point that RISE is a complex bundle. In his keynote, Christian took at swipe at the term "simplification". That's been SAP's mantra for the last decade or so. Key execs like Christian, Juergen Mueller  and Thomas Saueressig are articulate about RISE. I told him I was reminded of Thomas Kurian's encyclopedic knowledge when he was at Oracle. We discuss if that level of intimate product knowledge can carry over further down the organization, in the field and in the partner ecosystem. Geoff rightfully points out SAP deals with complex, global customers - anything like RISE cannot be simple.

SAP has historically not done a great job managing its SI partners, so how would RISE improve that? The pandemic has shocked the SI ecosystem with WFH and travel restrictions and pressure on them to automate operations. It would be nice for RISE to build on that not just continue to pass along poor SI performance. Geoff  points out he would also like SAP to deliver more tooling to automate implementations.

During the pandemic we have seen customers move to bite-size, industry specific projects. Salesforce, Workday, ServiceNow, others have accordingly made some adjustments. We discuss why RISE with S/4 looming large does not come across as bite-sized, or verticalized enough. Geoff provides the perspective that he is seeing growing interest in S/4 in his membership. Throughout March ASUG is running a series of S/4 Best Practice sessions and they are seeing huge interest - register here 

We also discuss the BPI imitative, SAP's hyperscaler partners and much more. I think Geoff does a nice job explaining which SAP customers should care about RISE and why.

Burning Platform: Exciting world of Citizen IT

In the 28th episode of the Burning Platform series is Amit Zavery of Google Cloud. We discuss the exciting growth in no-code, Citizen Development.

Amit and I discuss how the pandemic has revealed several problems in on-prem systems and also that most cloud application packages were mostly horizontal in reach. Boutique vendors had to step up in many industry areas like ecommerce, fulfillment, telemedicine, distance learning, digital real estate etc. It would suggest we are at a tipping point where customers will need to build more rather than wait to buy functionality from their traditional vendors for agility in the changed world.

Yet, IT has it hands full with new issues around WFH, previous dev backlogs, enhanced security focus. It would suggest more of a focus on low- and no-code development to bridge the gap. Not just dev - we have seen acceleration in democratization of analytics, integration with other enterprise apps, the ability to use voice interfaces to do so much without much IT involvement.  Amit describes how healthcare workers stepped up to build fairly sophisticated hospital applications.

The impact on small businesses has been even more dramatic. Restaurant owners have been forced to adjust to a digital world of customer interaction and last mile delivery. Small merchants have been forced to embrace e-commerce, real estate agents adjust to virtual open houses and digital mortgages. They have become tech-savvy in a hurry. It's not just DevOps - it's digital business transformation.    

We also discuss platforms of SaaS vendors like Salesforce, those of mostly on-prem vendors like IBM and Oracle, and those of hyperscalers like Google.

In the past, citizen IT tools have led to a lot of duplication and proliferation - millions of spreadsheets, Lotus Notes databases everywhere. We discuss how to put guard rails to avoid similar sprawl this time around and also factor security concerns which leads cynics to call this "shadow IT"

Amit has long been a cheerleader for low-code, no-code. His excitement comes through very clearly. We are definitely at a major inflection point in the industry. We have a lot more tech-savvy users and citizens than we did a year ago. That is exciting and scary at the same time. 

The Analyst Cam: Rimini Investor Day

As we have moved to virtual vendor briefings and events, I have increasingly been excerpting short segments (with permission from vendors), as part of my Analyst Cam series. 

I have been encouraging Rimini Street to share more info on its global reach and operational "secret sauce" like they did in this episode where they described how they deliver tax and regulatory updates as part of their support earlier than the much bigger software publishers.

So, I was really pleased to see that in their virtual investor day last week, they focused on customer case studies, addressable market shares and operational details. In fact, the CFO, Michael Perica waited his turn till the last session of the event, just before the analyst q&a.

I have excerpted about 15% of the 2 hour, 45 minute session, and in some sessions a number of the speaker's slides. You can watch the whole webcast by registering here. 

Leading off  after the Forward Looking caveat is Seth Ravin, CEO and Chairman who provides a historical perspective since the company was founded in 2005, and the expanded focus starting in 2015 to include application management services.

At 5.27, Sebastian Grady, President shares case studies across 8 industries and geographies.

At 8.46, David Rowe, CMO discusses addressable markets. I love that he actually describes components of his marketing technology stack. Didn't I mention they were serious about discussing operational details?

At 12.10, Gerard Brossard, COO discusses how the field is being reshaped to reflect a much more global Rimini customer base and for a sales force with many more products in their bags.

At 17.09, Brian Slepko, EVP Global Service Delivery discusses root cause analysis at Rimini, the continuous improvement culture and their TLR (Tax, Legal and Regulatory) group. 

At 21.39, Daniel Winslow, Chief Legal Officer provides his perspective on the long running court battles with Oracle.

This is definitely not your Dad's Rimini Street! I first wrote about them in 2006. They have gone through many twists and bruising legal battles, and have emerged stronger and much more differentiated.  

Head over to the whole webcast on the Rimini site to hear fuller comments from each of these execs, from the CFO and also listen to the Q&A. 

Burning Platform: A review of RISE with SAP

Brian Sommer and I have recorded 12 episodes in this series - see index here . Last couple of months, we have had several guests - Rob Kugel of Ventana, Josh Greenbaum of EA Consulting, Bonnie Tinder of Raven Intel, Frank Scavo of Avasant, Dennis Howlett of Diginomica, Cindy Jutras of Mint Jutras, Dave Hofferberth of SPI Research, Holger Mueller of Constellation Research, Tamas Hevizi of Automation Anywhere, Bob Ferrari of Supply Chain Matters, Sabrina Horn of Horn Strategy, Sandra Lo of Zoho, Bob Evans of Evans Strategic Communications, Paul Coetser of Big Blue Ventures and Mark Smith of Ventana Research

In the 27th episode of the series is Dennis Holwett, co-founder of Diginomica. Like me, he is a long-time SAP watcher and we discuss last week's RISE with SAP event. I had written about the event in the Analyst Cam series here. 

We cover a lot of ground - it is the longest episode of Burning Platform.

RISE is a complex bundle - in fact, in his keynote Christian took at swipe at the term "simplification". That's been SAP's mantra for the last decade or so, but key execs like Christian, Juergen Mueller  and Thomas Saueressig are pretty articulate about product details. I told him I was reminded of Thomas Kurian's encyclopedic knowledge when he was at Oracle. We discuss if that level of intimate product knowledge can carry over further down the organization, in the field and in the partner ecosystem.

Dennis responds to my observation that Christian led off with his SI partners and had the hyperscalers further down in his presentation. Shades of the old SAP or signs of likely co-opetition with the hyperscalers especially at the platform layer?

During the pandemic we have seen customers move to bite-size, industry specific projects. Salesforce, Workday, ServiceNow, others have accordingly made some adjustments. We discuss why RISE with S/4 looming large does not come across as bite-sized, or verticalized enough.

I told him I thought RISE would focus more on execution mechanics and economics. Instead they broadened the product mix with the Signavio and the MS Teams announcement and glossed over what will be hairy execution and contractual issues. SAP has historically shown little ability to manage its SI partners, can it additionally manage the hyperscalers and its own broad product portfolio and deliver coherent economics, SLAs etc?

We discuss the changing hyperscaler landscape. IBM has joined the Big 4 - AWS, Azure etc in the SAP infrastructure stack mix, but not Oracle. During the pandemic, Oracle appeared to pick up some momentum with customers like Zoom and TikTok. Oracle, at least at the database layer, is also more prevalent in the SAP customer base. We discuss how customers are likely to navigate SAP's choices.  

We do agree that SAP should never be underestimated. It has an amazing global customer base, spread across industries and is increasingly cultivating a dynamic, young executive suite.